Pat Gunn (dachte) wrote,
Pat Gunn

Steering the Vessel

A question -- what is the effect of the Klan and other conservative groupsin the United States who have effectively withdrawn from society at large?A worry -- by their existence, and relatively normal (in most respects) life,do they have a 'recentering effect' for people whose world they're a part of?I suspect that, for a lot of people, their perception of themselves politicallyis at least influenced by how they relate to the mainstream (whether one usesa left-right dichotomy, a 2-axis system, or some other way of looking at things).To the extent that this is a factor, society at large can be affected by thepresence and percieved respectability of various positions across the spectrum.Further, Klansman and similar, like a lot of scary-right folk (and, AFAIK,noone on the left), brag about eventually outbreeding the liberals. Is thisactually happening? Further, compare the Klan to a more quiet, and even morewithdrawn group of conservatives (that, nontheless, seem to be backwards in lessoffensive ways), the Amish/Mennonites. The Klan seems to be considerably moredangerous because it has a history of violence. Thinking about things, though,from what I know of the Klan, they typically act as an underground movementwithin small-town society, with the aim of steering the small-scale societyin their desired direction (namely, racial purity and white dominance). TheAmish, by contrast, have seperate villages that are also exclusive, but makelittle effort to spread their lifestyle to the outsiders. Apart from the racialcontent, are the Amish substantially similar to Klansmen who have won? Further,for a conservative group, the Amish get a surprising amount of respect fromLiberals for their refusal to partake of many of the bad parts of society.In this sense, the Amish naturally align with the ascetic side of the Liberalmovement, as opposed to the industrialist/superconsumerist side of theConservative movement. Politics, na klar, is complex, eh.. Some people justifythe high amounts of sculpting of Iraqi society (which might or might not be likehow Japanese society was heavily sculpted by MacArthur and friends after WW2)by the need to pacify and stabilize Iraq. If it was decided that the Klan andsurvivalists are destabilizing the United States, but in a more subtle way,would that suggest these groups too should be broken apart?

I remember when the days were longand the nights when the living room was on the lawnconstant quarrelling and childish fitsand our clothes in a pile on the ottomanall the slander and double speakwere only foolish attempts to show you did not mean anythingbut the blatant proof was your lips touching mine in the photobooth -- Death Cab for Cutie - Photobooth

A constructed realm, held in the mind.. the rocks are sharp, but do notcut, the wind is strong, and carries away words as soon as they're said.In the middle of an infinity of that, sits a small field, with trees andgrass. In the middle of that, sits a bathtub, a pipe going down into theground. I sit in the bathtub, with a book, and I smile again. I have notbeen here for a very long time. One of the places in my mind...

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